Monday, February 2, 2009

The Khmerization Blog

Lately, I have come under fire from the blogger calling himself Khmerization, an overseas Khmer living in Austalia. He reviles me for painting a more realistic picture of the events relating to the Dey Krahom quarters in Phnom Penh, for giving my opinion.

Norber Klein, another blogger and former German journalist who used to work for the Deutsche Presse Agentur, also weighed in, but being a true professional in a more sober manner, stating that I may not have studied the history of Dey Krahom. I would just like to post my reply here as well for readers that do not normally access Khmerization's blog, which is somewhat over-the-top in its approach to current Cambodian events and many of his ideas are simply pretty half-baked. But what is worse is the fact that this (young?) man comments on events and life in and about Cambodia that he doesn't know from first-hand experience. He may visit it every once in a while but we all know those visits don't really give you a well-founded impression.

What I had wanted to point out in various comments on several blogs was that the homeland Khmer populations doesn't seem to care very much about what's going on there. The great outcry comes from foreigners, mostly associated with NGOs.

Here is my reply:

Mr. Klein, I would appreciate your showing documents verifying the former occupier's ownership by title or possession since 1989 of Dey Krahom. The social concession was established to provide housing in the normal sense, e. g. houses, and did not extend to the squatters and their ramshackle huts that occupied the area for many years but never obtained formal recognition by the municipality. A concession comprises the right to occupy or use for a certain (possibly renewable) period of time. The squatters were tolerated, and when the community leaders sold the land, or rather the social concession was terminated by mutual agreement against compensation, the squatters needed to be relocated. You can hardly call it premature after this had been going on for years. The methods were heavy-handed, but one has to take into account the local mentality. In general, Cambodia, and all of Asia for that matter, has a different set of values than the West. You will possibly remember a word by a famous colleague of yours, Peter Scholl-Latour, who once said, ‘The West must cease to impose our set of values on other cultures in order to be successful in cooperating with those cultures.’

As for Junior’s post, and his name is really fitting for some of his postings, which are really sophomoric:

By no means did I express any support for anybody, but, if those fire-brand Aneke-jooan Khmer read and understood the context a little better, they would have seen that there are always too sides to a story. Blanket condemnations and artificial outrage, based on second- and third-hand information, have never helped any cause. And again, the homeland Khmer don't seem to care very much. This is a country still doing its first steps as a free country, and certain concepts still need to take root. But things aren't helped by demagoguery.

It is pathetic that these so-called justice-lovers sit in their warm kitchens overseas hurling invectives at people with different opinions. Of course, I know I incurred their wrath as I don’t think much of their idol, Sam Rainsy, who in my mind has miserably failed in his politics, as he can’t offer any real alternative solutions to present-day Cambodia. He is basically a stuffed shirt. His “solutions” are pretty much the same as the ones circulated on this and similar blogs – condemnation of the government, corruption, failed politics, etc. To this day they have not presented a detailed program how to combat poverty more effectively, how to fight endemic corruption, and how to stimulate the economy. Parroting U. S. politicians and programs certainly aren’t solutions for this country.

As for Dey Krahom – it is clear that this land needs to be developed, as do many other pieces of land in the city and the country as a whole. It takes entrepreneurs to do this. Junior has shown a profound lack of economic knowledge. Land is only worth as much as a buyer is willing to pay. Many of the figures they read in the papers were just hypothetical. $4,000/m2 for riverfront and downtown property was more wishful thinking than anything else. If there were indeed some crazy speculators who bought at those inflated prices, it only serves them right for losing their shirt over those outrageous speculative prices, ending up with a piece of land nobody wants to buy now. Some people don’t seem to understand that even now. They are still asking out-of-this-world prices. Many a Korean now wished he had never set foot in Cambodia.

Development costs money. It is not just buying a piece of land. It is putting something on it. If the cost of land exceeds 10 to 15% of the overall project it is normally not economically worthwhile doing. To recover an investment even in a lifetime is nearly impossible if real estate costs exceed 40 and 50% of the project, as in many cases in PP. People, and some Koreans were and are among them, didn’t pay attention to this significant bit of micro-economics. They are now suffering the consequences. Paying $200,000 for 50m2 is just idiotic. Propagating such notions puts the writer squarely in that very category. Using standard figures and land required for the project as 1 ha, the whole project would have to amount to roughly $250 million. But those armchair experts have no idea what it takes to develop – and develop this country it must. Of course, it is a question of how, but one can’t eradicate human nature and its inherent greed.

Junior is wont to disparage people who think differently. He may be ethnic Khmer, but in reality has lost touch with present-day Cambodia. He accuses me of having ulterior motives. I have invested considerably in Cambodia, both in the past and present. I provide jobs for Cambodians and support some of the extended family of my wife’s. I participate daily in the Cambodian economy, spending money, contributing to the economic cycle. I am part of what is called ‘foreign direct investment’, something the country desperately needs and welcomes. And everywhere I go in Cambodia I am well-received for that contribution and my understanding of the Khmer way of life. I do not deny that I am acquainted with people in higher positions but have not reaped any benefit from it.

And what are those ranting overseas Khmer doing? Outside of using foul language in their posts and comments, nothing. Why is it that the homeland Khmer aren’t too taken with their overseas brethren? They aren’t on the same page anymore. For most in Cambodia it is a fight for survival, not a fight who is right or who is wrong, and they certainly don’t want to be lectured by people who, when they do come back to Cambodia, mostly fail in their business undertakings, or political endeavors, for that matter, as both Ranariddh, Thomico, and Sam Rainsy more than amply prove.

Homeland Khmer don’t know how to handle those for them abstract ideas put forth by some foreigners and overseas Khmer pundits. If you want to help and change things, go back to your country and work actively. By publishing on blogs in English you don’t reach any substantial number in Cambodia anyway. More than anything else, you only stroke your own ego with those blogs. Go to Cambodia and start a grass-roots organization to change the way people think. This will eventually lead to a change in system as well. Spouting off about human rights abuses, government malfeasance, etc., in blogs won’t change anything. You will only be laughed at. Go get on the ground and put your money where your mouth is. Don’t blast the government from abroad. Participate in the political process on the ground in Cambodia. That is true patriotism. What you do is blowing hot air and hypocrisy at best, and outright cowardice at worst.

I am no supporter of the CPP, but I am convinced there is no other party in Cambodia at present who can run the country. Despite its many weaknesses and shortcomings this party is still the best for the country. The opposition simply lacks the personalities, and until it produces a charismatic leader this will not change for the forseeable future. I have extensively written about that on my blog.

Accusing me of profiting from my possible connection to the party, which I don’t have, shows very clearly what kind of people we are dealing with and of what mind they are. And one last word about NGOs. Some of them are outright suspicious to me, especially the ones where the directors salary comprises 25% of the overall budget. On that subject please read the Asia Times Online article of Nov. 14, 2008. Enough said.


Albeiro Rodas said...


Anonymous said...

Thankyou for your blog post, which I treat seriously as a foreigner who no longer lives in Cambodia, but takes an active interest in the country's progres since I was there doing work related to an NGO.

I don't take sides in Cambodian politics as I really don't know much about it, but I do believe Overseas Khmers have an important contribution to make and need to be heard. Although you say they have "lost touch" they ARE still Khmers. I hope however that the blogs don't become opportunities for personal abuse and foul language.
(I admit I haven't read Khmerisation's blog for quite a while, as I find the tone of much of the writing too provocative)

Also, overseas Khmers would probably like to be able to go to Cambodia and do useful things but might not have the resources to get through the red tape and some prejudice against overseas Khmers. Your comment also suggests Overseas Khmers are bad businessmen. Maybe there are important reasons why they don't succeed. As you are a businessman it would be interesting for you to write about that issue in more detail and enlighten us in a future post.

Best wishes


khmerization said...

I have nothing to respond here because I have made it very clear in my post already. Please read my article in KI media here:

KJE said...

Overseas Khmer, like Khmerization, are Khmer by ethnicity only. Ask their relatives what they think of them. They have become strangers in Cambodia proper. Especially the younger ones have assimilated into their host country's culture so much that only their looks and sometimes their accent distinguishes them from Americans, Australians, or French (the countries where most of them live). But as I pointed out elsewhere, not all overseas Khmer are like this. But these are the ones usually not heard from.
As for why returnees often fail in their businesses in Cambodia, it's mostly that very fact - the difference in culture, lack of understanding of the Khmer way of life, and a proper education. Many a returnee thinks homeland Khmer are just plain ignorant, not to say too dumb, to understand the workings of a company. But I will take that subject up in the near future. A very knowledgeable source on this is also one Ouddam, the owner of the website, a well-educated Khmer from Houston, Tx, who returned to Cambodia to live there.

Anonymous said...

I followed this argument with interest for the last few days. I'm generally of the opinion that responding to posts you don't agree with is a waste of time, but it seems necessary to respond here.

The thing that concerns me most is the statements of "fact" made here, supposedly backed up by references to the law, is that they are riddled with inaccuracies. In summary:

1) Documentation: The residents of Dey Krahorm have documents just like most other people in Cambodia - family books, living books, voter registration, and residence cards. I've seen them. They don't have titles because the governemnt refuses to title homes which are located on areas of valuable land. The people of Dey Krahorm, like Group 78 and various others have lost out to a corrupt and inefficient titling system.

2) The Social Land Concession was part of Hun Sen's "100 slum upgrade" scheme. He launched this just before elections and promised to do onsite upgrading for "squatter" communities. So in fact, SLCs are supposed to provide housing to those most in need - so again, you are totally wrong.

3) Squatters - this is a lazy repetition of governemnt propaganda. The 150 owners in Dey Krahorm who met the 5 conditions set out in the Land Law 2001 (i.e. most of them) had possessory rights, and the right to apply for title. As mentioned, this is unavailable to communities who live on land that the powerful wish to grab. These people hd legal rights under Cambodian Law.

4) Community leaders sold the land - no one is saying this ever happened, not even the government.

5) Social Land Concession was cancelled by mutual consent - as above. What actually happened is community reps were bought off, got nice homes and bonuses for accepting the SLC and changing it to a land swap outside the city. They just didn;t happen to ask any of the community.

6)Western values - This is just ridiculous. It's Cambodian laws, as well as international law, that were broken.

7)Clear that Dey Krahorm needed to be developed - What? You think Cambodia needs another shopping mall? The malls already built are making losses. DK should have been given onsite development, as promised by the governemt.

8) $4,000 p/square metre - no one everasked for this. Fact.

I have no hope that posting this will temper your inaccurate, badly reasoned and generally laughable posts in the future. But at least it made me feel better.

KJE said...

I won't waste my time responding point by point but I will say this. Rather than commenting anonymous you could have at least given a name or emailed me directly, which is possible through my profile. You err.
The minute you send me the appropriate supporting documents (especially the ones corroborating residence since 1989) for your statements I will post them here and make them available. Don't worry if they are in Khmer. I will then stand corrected. If you can't, you are just as laughable (to use your term) as the Khmerization and his lot.

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